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Discussion #2: Canon or AU

Before I dive in, in case anyone isn’t familiar with what canon or au:

canon — What is true about the entity being ficced. For Hanson, this would mean only what we know to be fact about the band and their families. Includes everything — their personalities, their lives, the albums and songs they’ve recorded. Basically, the entire history of the band.

alternate universe — Stories that deviate from canon in a major way or completely rewrite it. A story where Hanson is not famous would be considered AU.

(Definitions taken from shewasred 's website www.placetohide.net. Go visit it. It’s awesome.)

Now back to the show. So, I tend to be a comment stalker, lol.  (I like to read what other people say about the same fics that I’m reading.) Anyway, the past few weeks I’ve heard a few comments on people preferring canon over AU. I know whenever I first came around last year that seemed to be the case as well although I found more AU fics than canon fics. I know some people say (argue) if it’s AU then, what’s the point? Why not make it an original instead of hanfic because it could be any guy in the world? And, of course, it got me curious. So canon or au:

Which do you like better? Why?

Is there more authenticity or believability in canon versus au?  Is canon easier to get into because you can really map a story with their careers?

Is an AU story considered to be less of a “real” hanfic story than a canon? (I hope this question makes sense because I’ve spent fifteen minutes trying to word it so it does, haha)

 

And I’m going to add another question to this because I don’t think it really needs to stand alone. Next subject is first versus third person.

Do you have a preference of which you like to read or write?

In writing, do stories tend to come to you in one way more than the other? Do you generally stick to how a story comes to you or are you willing to change it? (Like, if it comes to you in third person, will you change it to first if that’s your comfort zone?)

(Sorry that subject seemed geared more toward writers than readers. And sorry if none of those questions made any sense. Ya girl is tired, lol.)

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shewasred
Dec. 7th, 2010 05:04 am (UTC)
I thought those definitions sounded familiar, haha! I have a feeling my answers will be kinda long and may not make sense, but here goes...

Which do you like better? Why?
Definitely canon, or at least stories that are semi-canon. Leave me something so that I can believe it's the boys, you know?

Is there more authenticity or believability in canon versus au? Is canon easier to get into because you can really map a story with their careers?
I guess my previous answer kinda answers this one, too. I think, even in an AU, it needs to be believable that it's really Hanson. When you start eliminating siblings, changing their careers in major ways, etc etc, I start to lose interest. That is, unless it's just so well written that I can still believe that it's them.

Is an AU story considered to be less of a “real” hanfic story than a canon? (I hope this question makes sense because I’ve spent fifteen minutes trying to word it so it does, haha)
For me, yes. But only a little bit. If it's well done, I can buy just about anything. It's less of an issue in short stories because you don't get much background anyway, but for a long fic I think an AU really requires a lot more world-building and really really good characterization to be as "good" or "real" as canon.

And the second set of questions...

Do you have a preference of which you like to read or write?
I nearly always write in third person. It's just what I default too. First person can be fun, but for some reason my brain doesn't go there as often. As for reading, I don't really have a preference for one or the other. But I do tend to get annoyed if third person stories are as... informal, I guess you could say, as first person. That bugs me. A good first person should be conversational, but third person doesn't always work that way. I'm not sure if that makes sense.

In writing, do stories tend to come to you in one way more than the other? Do you generally stick to how a story comes to you or are you willing to change it? (Like, if it comes to you in third person, will you change it to first if that’s your comfort zone?)
They almost always come to me in third person. Unless the plot really requires that person's perspective (like The Stars Have Fallen had to be in Zac's voice), I never even question it and I just go with third person. But if it came to me in first person, I'd go with that too. Usually the story knows better than I do how it wants to be written.

Edited at 2010-12-07 05:04 am (UTC)
muffintoppers
Dec. 8th, 2010 12:10 pm (UTC)
Which do you like better? Why?

I like either, depending on what the story is.


Is there more authenticity or believability in canon versus au? Is canon easier to get into because you can really map a story with their careers?

I guess, there needs to be something that at least hints to the guys' real lives. Even if it's just mentioning the family. Like Bethany said, something that reminds you it's them.


Is an AU story considered to be less of a “real” hanfic story than a canon?

The way I see it, unless you're strictly following their careers and personal lives, isn't it all AU?


Do you have a preference of which you like to read or write?

I like the stories where their real lives are mentions rather than the focus of the the story. I think when they get into their real lives too much, the stories can often veer off into fangirl territory and that can make my head hurt.


In writing, do stories tend to come to you in one way more than the other? Do you generally stick to how a story comes to you or are you willing to change it?

I usually think of the story and then decide what I would, personally, like to work on. It depends on the story. I am starting to really like first person, lately.
fakearomance
Dec. 9th, 2010 11:29 pm (UTC)
Which do you like better? Why?
If the story is good, it usually doesn't matter to me one way or another.

Is there more authenticity or believability in canon versus au? Is canon easier to get into because you can really map a story with their careers?
I don't think so. At the end of the day it's all a matter of interpretation. Even canon isn't always completely accurate because there are parts of it that are just based on rumor and speculation. I think canon just gives you a starting point. You have a set of facts that you know to be true about the band and each of the guys, and the rest it just made up to suit a story. I write AU fics the same way. Only I'm the one making up the facts of the back story.

Is an AU story considered to be less of a “real” hanfic story than a canon?
I've talked this out with several people before, and I think there are many levels of AU when you get down to it. I don't know how most people think of canon, but for me that means Hanson's famous and wives and kids exist to some extent. I've written a few stories that I guess, based on that, would be something like "canon AU." But if we're talking about AU meaning Hanson's not Hanson. No fame and no music and all that, I don't know that I necessarily consider it not be "real" hanfic, but rather a different aspect of Hanson. I know when I write it, I think of it as writing a story of what each of the guys would have been like if they had made different decisions and hadn't pursued a career in music.

And for first vs. third

Do you have a preference of which you like to read or write?
I usually don't mind either way. As reader, though, I don't like switching back and forth between too many characters in first person. If it's only two character and the switch it made maybe once a chapter or every other chapter, then it's fine. If it's multiple characters and the story switches pov practically every chapter, then it gets annoying trying to keep track of who's talking, and I'd prefer it to be in third person because it could just as easily fill the same purpose in a much easier to read way.

For writing, I enjoy both ways. It usually comes down to which way will tell the story better. Sometimes it will take my brain a day or so really make the switch from writing first to third and vice versa, though, so that would probably be my only complaint.

In writing, do stories tend to come to you in one way more than the other? Do you generally stick to how a story comes to you or are you willing to change it? (Like, if it comes to you in third person, will you change it to first if that’s your comfort zone?)
It usually depends. (I say that a lot!) Stories tend to come to me in different ways. Sometimes I'll get he plot first or the character or maybe even just a random scene from the story. I usually have to sit with the idea for a while and let things unravel in my head before I even start writing. Sometimes I'll just know "this story will be in first person," and other times I might start in first and have to go back and rewrite it in third. I don't mind changing things at all if it's going to make the story better, but I like to think it out for a while first - and sometimes get a second opinion - before I get too deep into writing something.
hudson_coltrane
Dec. 13th, 2010 05:27 pm (UTC)
So canon or au:

Which do you like better? Why?

I think I tend to lean toward AU more, but I don't really have a preference of enjoying one more than the other. I think maybe I'm drawn more into people creating their own "Hanson world" lol.

Is there more authenticity or believability in canon versus au? Is canon easier to get into because you can really map a story with their careers? I personally don't think so because if it's well written then it takes care of itself.

Is an AU story considered to be less of a “real” hanfic story than a canon? I don't believe it is, but I also haven't written a canon story either, lol. I think if anything outside of canon is considered to be less of a real hanfic story then you eliminate a lot of great stories, and a lot of great stories that are considered to be the best in hanfic.


Next subject is first versus third person.

Do you have a preference of which you like to read or write? I'll read either. I'll write either, but I prefer to write a story in third person. I'm not that strong in writing first person fics.

In writing, do stories tend to come to you in one way more than the other? Do you generally stick to how a story comes to you or are you willing to change it? (Like, if it comes to you in third person, will you change it to first if that’s your comfort zone?) Stories don't come to me in one way more than another as far as first or third person. Although probably in the last two years they haven't been coming to me in strictly terms of third person anymore.

Most of the time I stick to how a story comes to me. If I've come up with my outline and a few major parts and it would be better another way then I would be willing to change it. Sometimes hearing that person's voice/thoughts or feeling their emotions can be better in first than third. But there are times when first person can limit the story I'm telling.
ashton12
Dec. 26th, 2010 09:40 pm (UTC)
I know this is a little bit bored.. buttt.. you said share my opinion.. So I'm going to (:

I don't believe in canon, honestly. While I prefer a fic that sticks to real events (it's more interesting to imagine how things that you've been infatuated with your life really went) at the end of the day, it's still a fiction. I might maybe that doesn't really make sense, but I think for "canon" to be a TRUE "canon," it has to be 100% factual.. in which case, it is NOT a fiction and completely defeats the purpose. And I'm saying this by the definition given. Honestly there really is no way to create a fiction replica of their personalities because none of us know the Hansons. (well, most of us don't) so that means a lot of it is left up to the imagination. Also, if events AREN'T made up that's kind of boring. We all know what Hanson has done, what we want to READ about is what they haven't done that someone has come up with in their head. I mean I've read plenty of biographies, that's not why I read fanfiction.

But--if I HAVE to count canon as an option, that's what I'd choose. I don't really see it as canon though because in a sense, it's still AU. So I guess my choice is choice C. I prefer a fic where Hanson is Hanson, they are a band and have had the same past experiences that we've known about.. the fic just expands and creates a story we don't know about. I'm not a huge fan of AU because if Hanson is not Hanson, what's the point of it being a Hanson fic? I mean.. if they AREN'T the band.. maybe this sounds mean but.. what's so special about them? That's like me writing a fictional story about my math teacher. If Hanson is not Hanson...

..who cares?

And my choice if first person, because in third person it leaves how each individual person is feeling a bit vague. I'd rather have a TOTAL understanding of how one person is feeling in a story instead of a slight grasp of how everyone is feeling. I think 1st person stories are more captivating.

The REAL question is... who likes 2nd person, and who can write it? (:
ashton12
Dec. 26th, 2010 09:41 pm (UTC)
by bored I meant old in the 1st line* lol
ahopper84
Oct. 20th, 2011 07:59 pm (UTC)
Canon vs AU
I agree with some of the previous comments, namely on two points
1) canon fics aren't 100% canon, because we are only guessing at how they would react, what their personalities are like, etc. fanfiction, by its very nature, is always gonna be at least slightly AU.
2)there ARE multiple levels of AU. hanson not being married, hanson not being famous, hanson not having siblings... and each level has its own positive and negative points; i can't think of AU as a single category

with that said, I don't really have a preference. a good fic is a good fic. there is the question of them still feeling like hanson, but as long as the personalities fit, it still feels like hanson to me. if the story is well-written and compelling, then it's still a good story, and that matters more to me than if it's technically a FANfic or not. but as long as the personality is there, it doesn't really matter to me whether it's canon, or slight, minor, or major AU

First VS Third
When i first started writing, I always defaulted to writing in 3rd... but recently, i started a sequel to DevilAngel, which was written in 1st. wanting to make the two stories flow seamlessly, i had to write mine in 1st, which was definitely a challenge. but now it's my new default! I still go to 3rd sometimes tho, if I feel the story requires it. but it is easier to get into the character's heads in 1st... but then again, when i write 3rd, it's not 3rd limited, so i'm getting into people's heads anyway, just maybe not as much

lol sorry this was so long and not really in a traditional q/a format... lol im just weird like that
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